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20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby RJPB » Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:43 pm

Hello mga sir! newbie po, ask ko lang kung pwede ba na di na ko mag sump sa 20gal tank ko...uubra kaya for a reef tank?...wala na kase space for sump and kelangan pa kase butasan yung tank pag mag sump ako. Currently may 2 filter sa tank ko (HOB filter and resun cyclone external filter) and a skimmer (resun sk 05). may mga nakita kase ko na setup sa states na wala silang sump...HOB filter lang gamit nila, kung pwede kase without sump I opt not to add a sump sa tank ko...bukod sa kelangan extra space...dagdag gastos nanaman...medyo malaki na din kase nagagastos ko nung nagsstart ako...lalo na nung di ko pa alam na need pala icycle yung tank bago lagyan ng isda or corals. TIA!
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby Sea Turtle » Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:50 pm

parang coke zero lang yan eh... it's possible. :mrgreen:

may mga members din naman dito na HOB's ang gamit instead of sump...
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby diego » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:24 pm

Yes it is possible. I dont have a sump myself. I have a 24 gallon tank in my bedroom. I just use an eheim HOB. Used to have a skimmer however i took it out already. Just make sure to do a 10% weekly water change and you wont have any problems. Also make sure to have good flow throughout the tank. Although keeping sps would be a challenge in a nano esp. without a sump, I suggest keeping lps and other hardy corals first. HTH :)
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby RJPB » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:46 pm

thanks po sa replies.

@diego
sir san nyo po nabile yung eheim HOB? pang ilang gallon po max capacity nung HOB nyo tsaka yun lang filter sa tank mo? plan ko din po maglagay ng isang wave maker, any suggestions po para magkaron ng mas maayos na filtration tank ko without using sump. yung ginagamit nyo po na pang add ng tubig every water change NSW po ba yun or gumagamit kayo ng salt mix? sensya na po daming tanong. TIA!
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby diego » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:55 am

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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby obet_carlos » Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:10 am

problem with a sumpless set-up is that nagkakaroon ng thin film ng oil sa water surface.. which set-ups with sumps dont usually have because of the overflow..
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby RJPB » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:31 am

Thanks again sa replies mga sir!

I'm still open po in getting a sump, actually hangang ngayon pinagiisipan ko pa yan :D at kung san ko sila ippwesto sa house namin if ever at kung paano ko mapabubutasan yung tank ko para sa pipe kung may laman na ito, meron na din po kase akong aquarium stand na naitatago for 20g and meron yun provision sa baba na pwede lagyan ng sump, "if really needed" i might get a sump soon. nasa process pa kase ko of cycling the tank...kaso di ko malaman kung pwede yung ginagawa ko, currently may 2 corals na kase ko sa tank (not sure sa name ng coral), LR and LS....di ko sure kung pwede ba mag cycle yung tank na may corals na...as of now mukhang ok naman yung corals. or kung may nabibile ba na pwede ihalo sa tubig na cultured beneficial bacteria para mapabilis yung cycle, pahelp po mga sir kung ano need ko gawin. maraming salamat.
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby thurrmac » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:35 am

dude, post ka ng pics sa loob ng house para ma assess namin kung anong best na setup para sayo.
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby RJPB » Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:59 am

cge po try ko kuhaan pic maya paguwi ko yung tank and kung san possible na maipwesto ito, pahelp din po kung pwede yung ginagawa ko na pag cycle ng tank ko....may 2 corals na kase ko sa tank...and kung meron po kayo alam na pwede mabile na ihalo sa tubig na cultured beneficial bacteria para mapabilis cycle at di mamatay corals ko. salamat!
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby RJPB » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:41 am

nabasa ko po itong thread "Top saltwater aquarium myths" under General Discussion. So meaning po ba nito pwede yung way of cycling na nangyayari sa tank ko? may LR, LS and 2 corals po ako, runnning with 2 filters. 1week palang po yung bagong setup ko pati yung corals....pero yung filters running for 2 weeks na po...yung unang setup ko kase gumamit lang ako ng saltwater mix and after a day nilagay ko na mga isda and corals...unfortunately namatay sila lahat (kulang pa sa research), after that incidendt...nilinis ko tank then palit tubig using NSW.

MYTH:
It takes 6 weeks to cycle (establish the biological filter) a new saltwater aquarium.

FACT:
The original method used for cycling a tank consisted of putting a fish or two in a new tank, then waiting up to 6 weeks for the nitrobacter and nitrosoma bacteria to form and grow. It is now known that there are a number of methods which can cycle a tank in as little as one day.

Cycling with Live Rock
Cycling with Live Sand
Cycling with Bacterial Additives
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby thurrmac » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:07 pm

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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby RJPB » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:57 pm

thanks sir thurrmac, hanap ako sa carti ng mga pwede iadd sa tank ko to aid cycling, sana maka survive corals ko during the cycle period.
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby RJPB » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:06 pm

nakabile nga po pala ko kay ritchie ng FEV ng ocean free battle bacteria (good bacteria)...sana makatulong nga to.

questions po mga sir:
1. ok lng kaya na isang 3w (for 15g) ang wave maker na ilagay ko sa 20g tank ko? may mga nabasa kase ko dito na yung 6w na wave maker medyo malakas daw buga for 20g tank.
2. reg po lighting, anong klase kaya pwede ko bilin na lighting para sa 20g reef tank? may mga nababasa ako dito na led yung ilaw nila, san po nakakabile nun at ano tawag dun? price range na din po...yung medyo budget meal sana na lighting pero ok.

maraming salamat!
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20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby jemzac » Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:59 pm

If you can build LED baka makatipid ka. Pero LED is expensive than other lighting, IMO. Pero kung FOWLR kahit aesthetic lighting pwede na. T5 aquazonic pwede na. Every 8 months palitan mo ng Arcadia bulb
Can't stop staring there is always new :D
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Re: 20g tank, possible without sump?

Postby RJPB » Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:56 am

@jemzac
thanks po sa tip reg sa lighting.
nakabile na po ko kahapon sa carti ilaw, odyssea dual pro T5 HO 24wx2, isang actinic and isang 10,000k daylight ang nakalagay. pag install ko nung ilaw sa tank ko wala 20min bumuka na ng husto yung 2 gonio corals ko :) at nabuhay itsura ng tank ko, tumingin din ako sa marine quest kaso mahal mga avail na ilaw sa kanila....pati corals parang mahal sa kanila :|.

@diego
nakabile na din po ako eheim HOB filter good for 30-35g kinuha ko....pinalitan ko yung maliit na HOB ko, ok nga po sya sir.

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