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Liquid Calcium additives Vs. Kalkwasser

Postby lance126 » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:50 pm

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Postby Aquaz » Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:17 am

Dear Mr lance126,

Using a liquid calcium buffer would only increase your calcium levels. Which may cause ion in balance in your reef tank.

Using kalkwasser or known as lime water would maintain or increase both your calcium and alkalinity levels in your reef tank. As Kalkwasser (a German word) is known as Calcium Hydroxide. Thus it would not cause any ion in balance.

Maintain or increase your calcium and alkalinity levels depends again on your reef systems.

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Postby lance126 » Sat Apr 22, 2006 3:49 pm

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Postby shalom » Sat Apr 22, 2006 10:25 pm

Guys,

From what I understand (so correct me if I'm wrong) calcium hydroxide provides an unessential form of alkalinity on the form of the hydroxide ion, OH-. The alkalinity we need is in the form of dissolved carbonates and bicarbonates. While both forms translate to higher pH levels, (hydroxide being more alkaline or basic), only the carbonate ion is useful to calcareous marine life.

Di ba baliktad? Baka ibig sabihin ni sherlyne yung kalkwasser nila ay galing sa calcium carbonate... Kalkwasser is German... calcium water right?

I think the best mix would be calcium hydroxide, calcium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate, calcium chloride in the same brew. This makes for Calcium ions, sodium chloride, carbonate ions and water. Salinity na lang yung magaadjust if you use this mix in the right proportions.


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Postby jolt26 » Sun Apr 23, 2006 3:38 am

sobrang technical, bilib ako sayo shalom! I had to cheat my way to pass Chem (sa isang Science High school pa naman, kahiya :lol: )

I think the question kasi is liquid calcium supplement vs. kalk lang. IME, kesa sa liquid, eh mas mainam na mag-kalk ka na lang. pero tama ka, I actually use three kinds of calcium. Calcium carbonate from my denitrator (I use the ones bought from botika), hydroxide (kalk, dripped from top-off), and recently, chloride (from aquaz).

shalom, lets talk about that. itetext kita, sagot ka ha :D
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Postby shalom » Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:19 pm

aba oo naman!

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Postby randell » Sun Apr 23, 2006 7:44 pm

wow... errrr.. ano daw? hehe.

i was supposed to use liquid calcium but Jolt and the guys told me kalk better... so as soon as i can get my hands on a kalk drip, that's what im going to do to my nano reef
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Postby Aquaz » Mon Apr 24, 2006 5:06 am

Dear Mr Randell, 8)

You could DIY you own Kalkwasser Doser, by just using any empty plastic bottle.

All you need is to make a small hole about 4cm upwards from the base of the bottle. As not all kalkwasser would dissolve totally.
Make sure your empty bottle do come with a cover.

Next purchase those green color air valve, commonly found at fresh water aquarium stores.

Secure this green air valve to the hole on the bottle you just made using either Epoxy or Super Glue Gel.

Lastly make another very small hole on top of the bottle cover to allow the limewater inside to flow out when you cover the bottle up.

I am sorry i do not have any pictures with me now.



Dear Mr Shalom, :o

Kalkwasser is a German word for lime water.

Calcium Oxide are made by heating up Calcium Carbonate until the carbon dioxide is driven off.
CaCO3 -- CaO + CO2

When you add tapwater and not saltwater you form Calcium Hydroxide.

CaO (Calcium Oxide) + H2O (Water) -- Ca(OH)2 (Lime)

There are many grades of lime and some are graded by the amount of heavy metals and impurities they contain.

When you add a molecule of water to CaO, it generate a great amount of heat, thus at time certain plastic used for your kalkwasser doser may be damage due to the heat.

Calcium ions from your Calcium Hydroxide would be taken up by corals and Hydroxide ions would react / combine with air, dissolved Carbon Dioxide and Bicarbonate to form Bicarbonate and Carbonate. As your corals require alkalinity (Bicarbonate) but not Hydroxide.

Do introduce your solution into your reef tank slowly (may affect your pH levels) and not directly onto your corals (as it may burn your corals due to a high pH).

Do correct me if i am wrong, as i am still learning. :?


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Postby randell » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:35 am

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Postby jolt26 » Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:00 pm

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Postby randell » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:37 pm

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