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Postby ymhon14 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:26 am

Hello mga sir.

May concern lang po akong need ipaconsult. I'm frustrated na kasi na laging namamatay yung mga isdang binili ko. My 2nd batch of fishes bought from Cartimar ay unting unti nauubos. Bought 2 Clarkii clownfish 1 damsel. Deads na agad yung 2 clownfishes wala pang 24 hours and parang naghihingalo narin. Same as batch one fishes (2 clownfishes, 1 blenny) ay nagkakaroon sila ng ich. Naaawa narin po ako. But I want to know kung ano ang mali sa ginagawa ko.

1. May parameters are okay naman ph 8.2, 0 ammonia and nitrites and 10-20 ppm na nitrates.
2. Almost 5 weeks na po yung tank ko.
3. Snails are okay naman.
4. I'm using saltwater mix po, Instant Ocean.
5. Acclimated them before putting the LS sa DT for an hour.

Balak ko pa naman sanang mag corals in the future but kung isda palang ay hindi ako makabuhay paano pa kaya yung corals. Pinacheck ko yung SG ng water sa Cartimar, mabababa masyado (around 1.019) so bale before I put them in the DT ay pinababa ko muna yung SG ng DT ko (mataas kasi masyado 1.025)

I hope you can help me guys. I'm feeling na mag-quit tuloy. I hope you can enlighten me. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby immortalbreaker » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:54 am

Hit or miss talaga sa carti mga livestocks.

Ayos lang na 1.025 yung SG mo (if accurate yung readings mo, best if you can use a refractometer).

Ok naman yung instant ocean na salt.

Some question:
1. Properly cycled ba yung tank/How did you cycle your tank?
2. How did you acclimate your fish?
3. What is your temperature range? Min and Max.
4. Do you use RO water for mixing salt?

Post pics of your system para mas madali evaluate ng ibang reefers.
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby luckyme » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:03 pm

Pinacheck ko yung SG ng water sa Cartimar

bili ka na din po ng hydrometer.
kung maliit lang kasi ung tank mabilis magbago ang SG so hindi reliable ung results sa cartimar kung once lang din nmn ginawa.


suggest ko sir bumili ka ng fish sa quality source. (out of 3 clowns from carti isa lang ang nabuhay sakin)

kung gusto mo nmn tlga ang hobby kaya pa yan.. ung tank ko nanay ko lang nagaalaga kinaya naman.
ikaw pa kaya na nagreresearch ng sarili mo.
charge to experience na nga lang tulad ng madalas na sinasabi nila.
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby ymhon14 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:11 pm

immortalbreaker wrote:Hit or miss talaga sa carti mga livestocks.

Ayos lang na 1.025 yung SG mo (if accurate yung readings mo, best if you can use a refractometer).

Ok naman yung instant ocean na salt.

Some question:
1. Properly cycled ba yung tank/How did you cycle your tank?
2. How did you acclimate your fish?
3. What is your temperature range? Min and Max.
4. Do you use RO water for mixing salt?

Post pics of your system para mas madali evaluate ng ibang reefers.


Hi Sir. I think properly cycled naman yung tank ko almost 5 weeks na sya.

Please see my thread po
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17750

Temperature ko po ay 28-30 Celsius
Drip method sir yung ginagawa ko. Then yung 2nd batch of fishes ay trinay ko naman yung half cup every 5 minutes for 1 hour kasi di naging effective (I assumed) yung drip method sa 1st batch.
Water from water station po lagi ang ginagamit ko.

Maraming salamat po.
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby ymhon14 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:14 pm

luckyme wrote:
Pinacheck ko yung SG ng water sa Cartimar

bili ka na din po ng hydrometer.
kung maliit lang kasi ung tank mabilis magbago ang SG so hindi reliable ung results sa cartimar kung once lang din nmn ginawa.


suggest ko sir bumili ka ng fish sa quality source. (out of 3 clowns from carti isa lang ang nabuhay sakin)

kung gusto mo nmn tlga ang hobby kaya pa yan.. ung tank ko nanay ko lang nagaalaga kinaya naman.
ikaw pa kaya na nagreresearch ng sarili mo.
charge to experience na nga lang tulad ng madalas na sinasabi nila.


15 gallons sir yung sakin. Meron naman akong hydrometer kaso di ko alam kung bakit ganon laging namamatay. Saan po ba makakabili ng reliable source ng LS dito sa RP? Thank you sir.
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby sesame1 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:21 pm

Good pm. :) Naranasan ko na rin kc yan, kaya I know how frustrating it can be. From my experience sir, always Quarantine all your livestocks especially fishes. Mahirap kc masabi if good condition tlga ung isda, kng mamamatay na or may dala infection. What more pa, if nang galing ung isda from cartimar, sorry to say this , pero wala kc ako tiwala sa tubig ng cartimar sobra polluted. Mamamatay lng ung isda and worse, ung sakit na dala nya mahahawa lng ng ibang isda sa tank :o. Rare na makakuwa ng isda na magandang condition, isa lng na isda from all the fishes na binili ko ung ng survive. Ung purple stripe dottyback ko ung nabuhay, kc binili ko sya nung bago dating pa kaya d pa nahahalo sa tanks ng shop. Pero Quarantined ko pa rin sya for 2weeks+ at ngayon nakalagay na sa display tank ko :)

So, mabibigay ko lng na advice sir hehe :
1. Quarantine all livestock for at least 2 weeks. Fishes - to avoid contamination on your DT and/or to medicate if indeed sick. Corals - to avoid bad hitchhikers.
2. For me, mas madali mabuhay corals kaysa sa isda. Most parasites from fishes can't host invertebrates. But sometimes those pesky parasites can still go with the coral (disk frag , or for snails and shrimps, introduced with the water). So sure way pa rin is to quaratine them all.
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby ymhon14 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:29 pm

sesame1 wrote:Good pm. :) Naranasan ko na rin kc yan, kaya I know how frustrating it can be. From my experience sir, always Quarantine all your livestocks especially fishes. Mahirap kc masabi if good condition tlga ung isda, kng mamamatay na or may dala infection. What more pa, if nang galing ung isda from cartimar, sorry to say this , pero wala kc ako tiwala sa tubig ng cartimar sobra polluted. Mamamatay lng ung isda and worse, ung sakit na dala nya mahahawa lng ng ibang isda sa tank :o. Rare na makakuwa ng isda na magandang condition, isa lng na isda from all the fishes na binili ko ung ng survive. Ung purple stripe dottyback ko ung nabuhay, kc binili ko sya nung bago dating pa kaya d pa nahahalo sa tanks ng shop. Pero Quarantined ko pa rin sya for 2weeks+ at ngayon nakalagay na sa display tank ko :)

So, mabibigay ko lng na advice sir hehe :
1. Quarantine all livestock for at least 2 weeks. Fishes - to avoid contamination on your DT and/or to medicate if indeed sick. Corals - to avoid bad hitchhikers.
2. For me, mas madali mabuhay corals kaysa sa isda. Most parasites from fishes can't host invertebrates. But sometimes those pesky parasites can still go with the coral (disk frag , or for snails and shrimps, introduced with the water). So sure way pa rin is to quaratine them all.


Salamat sir sa inputs. Ask ko lang sa quarantine tank, need ba ng air pump nun to have oxygen? Sorry for a newbie question. May marerecommend po ba kayong seller ng LS dito? SO bale ibig sabihin po mas mabubuhay pa corals ko kaysa sa fish, mas sakitin sila compared sa corals?
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby sesame1 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:41 pm

ymhon14 wrote:
sesame1 wrote:Good pm. :) Naranasan ko na rin kc yan, kaya I know how frustrating it can be. From my experience sir, always Quarantine all your livestocks especially fishes. Mahirap kc masabi if good condition tlga ung isda, kng mamamatay na or may dala infection. What more pa, if nang galing ung isda from cartimar, sorry to say this , pero wala kc ako tiwala sa tubig ng cartimar sobra polluted. Mamamatay lng ung isda and worse, ung sakit na dala nya mahahawa lng ng ibang isda sa tank :o. Rare na makakuwa ng isda na magandang condition, isa lng na isda from all the fishes na binili ko ung ng survive. Ung purple stripe dottyback ko ung nabuhay, kc binili ko sya nung bago dating pa kaya d pa nahahalo sa tanks ng shop. Pero Quarantined ko pa rin sya for 2weeks+ at ngayon nakalagay na sa display tank ko :)

So, mabibigay ko lng na advice sir hehe :
1. Quarantine all livestock for at least 2 weeks. Fishes - to avoid contamination on your DT and/or to medicate if indeed sick. Corals - to avoid bad hitchhikers.
2. For me, mas madali mabuhay corals kaysa sa isda. Most parasites from fishes can't host invertebrates. But sometimes those pesky parasites can still go with the coral (disk frag , or for snails and shrimps, introduced with the water). So sure way pa rin is to quaratine them all.


Salamat sir sa inputs. Ask ko lang sa quarantine tank, need ba ng air pump nun to have oxygen? Sorry for a newbie question. May marerecommend po ba kayong seller ng LS dito? SO bale ibig sabihin po mas mabubuhay pa corals ko kaysa sa fish, mas sakitin sila compared sa corals?


No problem sir :) Yes kailangan, pero miski small powerhead ok na. This is a good guide for setting up a QT http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2195588. Just dont put heater ah, hahah iba kc temperature ng PH sa US e. There are a lot of credible sellers here in RP, u just need to browse, but favorite ko kay Grahf11 hahaha halos buong laman ng tank ko galing sa kanya e esp the corals :lol:

Survivability of the corals compared to fishes are different. For me my corals thrive coz of my water parameters, lighting n temperature, they're more sensitive to those factors compared to the fishes especially the SPS. Hindi lng pde i-host ng parasites from fishes to corals and vice-versa. Pero hindi ibig sabihin, even if na QT mo na sila lahat ok na lagay sa DT, you still need to maintain the correct balance parameters for your DT. :)
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby roland_0313 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:13 pm

If your tank has been properly cycled, most probably, yung nabibili mo lang talaga ang sablay. Just don't buy your fish from Carti anymore... mas mahal pa yata dun kesa sa mga LFS sa Paranaque... saka last I heard, puro mga rejects for export ang napupunta madalas na mga fish sa Carti eh.
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby ymhon14 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:03 pm

sesame1 wrote:
ymhon14 wrote:
sesame1 wrote:Good pm. :) Naranasan ko na rin kc yan, kaya I know how frustrating it can be. From my experience sir, always Quarantine all your livestocks especially fishes. Mahirap kc masabi if good condition tlga ung isda, kng mamamatay na or may dala infection. What more pa, if nang galing ung isda from cartimar, sorry to say this , pero wala kc ako tiwala sa tubig ng cartimar sobra polluted. Mamamatay lng ung isda and worse, ung sakit na dala nya mahahawa lng ng ibang isda sa tank :o. Rare na makakuwa ng isda na magandang condition, isa lng na isda from all the fishes na binili ko ung ng survive. Ung purple stripe dottyback ko ung nabuhay, kc binili ko sya nung bago dating pa kaya d pa nahahalo sa tanks ng shop. Pero Quarantined ko pa rin sya for 2weeks+ at ngayon nakalagay na sa display tank ko :)

So, mabibigay ko lng na advice sir hehe :
1. Quarantine all livestock for at least 2 weeks. Fishes - to avoid contamination on your DT and/or to medicate if indeed sick. Corals - to avoid bad hitchhikers.
2. For me, mas madali mabuhay corals kaysa sa isda. Most parasites from fishes can't host invertebrates. But sometimes those pesky parasites can still go with the coral (disk frag , or for snails and shrimps, introduced with the water). So sure way pa rin is to quaratine them all.


Salamat sir sa inputs. Ask ko lang sa quarantine tank, need ba ng air pump nun to have oxygen? Sorry for a newbie question. May marerecommend po ba kayong seller ng LS dito? SO bale ibig sabihin po mas mabubuhay pa corals ko kaysa sa fish, mas sakitin sila compared sa corals?


No problem sir :) Yes kailangan, pero miski small powerhead ok na. This is a good guide for setting up a QT http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2195588. Just dont put heater ah, hahah iba kc temperature ng PH sa US e. There are a lot of credible sellers here in RP, u just need to browse, but favorite ko kay Grahf11 hahaha halos buong laman ng tank ko galing sa kanya e esp the corals :lol:

Survivability of the corals compared to fishes are different. For me my corals thrive coz of my water parameters, lighting n temperature, they're more sensitive to those factors compared to the fishes especially the SPS. Hindi lng pde i-host ng parasites from fishes to corals and vice-versa. Pero hindi ibig sabihin, even if na QT mo na sila lahat ok na lagay sa DT, you still need to maintain the correct balance parameters for your DT. :)


Ah salamat sir!

1 last question medyo OT na siguro to. Wala akong extrang lalagyan as QT, ayaw ko naman kasi sa timba. Okay lang bang maging QT ko yung DT ko ngayon (wala po akong sump)? May balak kasi ako na magpalit ng aquarium next month so bale ngayon ay curing muna at fishes.

Kung nakapag-set up na po ba ako ng bagong aquarium at gagamitin ko yung liverocks at sand ko from my aquarium today, okay lang ba yun? I mean may mga sakit bang madadala yung liverocks ko at sand kung ginawa ko syang QT for now? And need ko bang magrestart ng cycle ulit kapag bumili ako ng new aquarium?

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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby ymhon14 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:04 pm

roland_0313 wrote:If your tank has been properly cycled, most probably, yung nabibili mo lang talaga ang sablay. Just don't buy your fish from Carti anymore... mas mahal pa yata dun kesa sa mga LFS sa Paranaque... saka last I heard, puro mga rejects for export ang napupunta madalas na mga fish sa Carti eh.


Hay Carti lang kasi yung malapit dito samin. Okay sir salamat sa heads up!
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby immortalbreaker » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:18 pm

Try to get fish from our sponsors muna, and buy only 1 or 2 at a time, para di din mabigla yung system.

Be wary din of using swing arm hydrometer. Nung wala pa ko refractometer, gamit ko ay swing arm hydrometer. Sa swing arm 1.022 reading, pero sa refractometer 1.025.

Kung wala ka pa pang invest sa refractometer, suggest you target 1.022 to 1.023 sa swing arm hydrometer, at least kung may error nga yung swing arm, possible na within range ka pa din sa 1.020 to 1.026 na recommended sa fowlr.

Yung drip method ok din. ako ang ginagawa ko is place the plastic bag (that the fish comes with) in the display for temperature acclimation, then pour tank water (qty depends on the amount of water in the bag) in the bag every 10 to 15mins for up to 1 to 1.5hours for the salinity acclimation. Mahalaga lang is wag ma-shock yung fish and makapag adjust sila from the oldwater to the tank water. Don't pour the acclimated water in tour system.

Try also to DIY a fan para malower mo pa yung temp.

Ok din kung makaka pag invest ka ng RO filter. para sure ka sa quality ng water na ginagamit mo.
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby sesame1 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:20 pm

If may plans ka na mgpalit ng tank, much better. Mas malaki sana para mas mas marami isda at corals malalagay :lol: . If ganun gagawin mo, ok lng gawin mo QT ung DT mo ngayon. Pero i highly suggest, DONT PUT ANY FISH in it, give it time at least 2 weeks, para madeads kng ano man parasites/sakit meron naiwan.

Pero since gagawa ka ng bagong tank, naturally mg start ka ulit ng cycle. So if balak mo lipat rocks or sand mo sa future new tank mo, pde rin, kc mamatay rin naman lahat ng organisms coz of the cycle. Just make sure, since its a cycle, at least a month, or depending at your parameters, before pde mg lagay ng live stock.

Hehehe parang halos same tayo ng timeline, ngstart rin kc ako sa small tank 13 gallon, and then ginawa ko na QT ung 13 gallon, kc may ng gift sakin ng 50gallon, which is my DT now :)
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby ymhon14 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:31 pm

immortalbreaker wrote:Try to get fish from our sponsors muna, and buy only 1 or 2 at a time, para di din mabigla yung system.

Be wary din of using swing arm hydrometer. Nung wala pa ko refractometer, gamit ko ay swing arm hydrometer. Sa swing arm 1.022 reading, pero sa refractometer 1.025.

Kung wala ka pa pang invest sa refractometer, suggest you target 1.022 to 1.023 sa swing arm hydrometer, at least kung may error nga yung swing arm, possible na within range ka pa din sa 1.020 to 1.026 na recommended sa fowlr.

Yung drip method ok din. ako ang ginagawa ko is place the plastic bag (that the fish comes with) in the display for temperature acclimation, then pour tank water (qty depends on the amount of water in the bag) in the bag every 10 to 15mins for up to 1 to 1.5hours for the salinity acclimation. Mahalaga lang is wag ma-shock yung fish and makapag adjust sila from the oldwater to the tank water. Don't pour the acclimated water in tour system.

Try also to DIY a fan para malower mo pa yung temp.

Ok din kung makaka pag invest ka ng RO filter. para sure ka sa quality ng water na ginagamit mo.


I see sir. Bale nasa 1.023 nalang ako ngayon. May swing at floating hydrometer po ako ngayon. Si ge invest ako next time sa refractometer.

Bale ganon nga po ginawa ko nilagay ko muna yung plastics sa aquarium para sa temp then nilipat ko nga lang sa timba after the temp then acclimated.

Salamat po ng marami.
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Re: Getting frustrated...

Postby ymhon14 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:34 pm

sesame1 wrote:If may plans ka na mgpalit ng tank, much better. Mas malaki sana para mas mas marami isda at corals malalagay :lol: . If ganun gagawin mo, ok lng gawin mo QT ung DT mo ngayon. Pero i highly suggest, DONT PUT ANY FISH in it, give it time at least 2 weeks, para madeads kng ano man parasites/sakit meron naiwan.

Pero since gagawa ka ng bagong tank, naturally mg start ka ulit ng cycle. So if balak mo lipat rocks or sand mo sa future new tank mo, pde rin, kc mamatay rin naman lahat ng organisms coz of the cycle. Just make sure, since its a cycle, at least a month, or depending at your parameters, before pde mg lagay ng live stock.

Hehehe parang halos same tayo ng timeline, ngstart rin kc ako sa small tank 13 gallon, and then ginawa ko na QT ung 13 gallon, kc may ng gift sakin ng 50gallon, which is my DT now :)


Aw ganon restart ulit ako. Bale 1-2 months ulit kahit wala gamit ko yung lumang bato at sand. Sabagay sabi nyo nga po depende sa parameters ko.

Nakita ko po tank nyo, ganda po. Ano po pala yung skimmer nyo dun? and yung white na katabi ng skimmer? Thank you very much sir!
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